something we have never seen before. president trump is acting chief of staff, his white house counsel, expected to meet as early as today to discuss their official game plan. and we got a taste of it all on sunday when the president's defenders went on a number of shows to make their case. here sr. a little bit of what they said. >> i think this whole thing is a sham. i can't believe we're talking about impeaching the president based on an accusation based on hearsay. >> when people look at what happened with joe biden's son. >> what happened with joe biden's son? >> he got paid $50,000 a month for several years. >> and they said there is no evidence of wrong doing. >> i know the difference between a whistle-blower and a deep state operative. this is a deep state operative pure and simple. >> there is a lot there.

they are either downplaying it, pointing the finger at joe biden and his son, or you can blame all of this on the so called "deep state." president trump said he wants to meet the accusers and his people face to face. they said they have "serious concerns about their clients safety." we should remind people that when the acting director of national intelligence testified before congress he very clearly said that the whistle-blower did the right thing in bringing this information forward. concerns about protecting the whistle-blower's identity could kpli hopes to bring them in for an interview. they are discussing the other

part of the plan. according to the democratic caucus chair, the strategy can be summed up in six words. jeff bent on capitol hill. jeff, to you first how do the democrats plan to make the case to the public. >> here is how they're going to do it. the house intelligence committee is taking the lead on the ukraine investigation, and adam schiff said the whistle-blower complaint, deemed credible, that that provided a roadmap for the rest of their work. so you have staff in the house intel committee staying behind, and members that will probably come back at the end of the

week. and the former ambassador to ukraine appears to have been targeted by the operation. on thursday we expect to get the deposition from colt volker. the state department special envoy. where they said had contact with rudy giuliani about the whole gambit. we're not expecting to see this in public. on friday you have a closed door hearing with the house intelligence committee speaking with michael atkinson. friday also represents a huge deadline. that is the deadline by which house democrats sent a subpoena. they say if he doesn't turn over all of the they are talking about rudy giuliani's travels

there. what makes this different is that now because there is a formal impeachment inquiry, any more stonewalling could result in their own separate article of impeachment. very similar to article three of the nixon impeachment. >> what have we learned about the administration's plan to fight this inquiry. we know that president trump is very skilled at controlling the narrative. >> they will before ramping up their strategy. their legal council will be talking to the president this week in the coming days about an all hands on deck response strategy. that will be a legal strategy, a pr response team. who will be part of that team. will they bring in anyone from the outside. will the president consult with

outside advisors. those are among the questions that still have to be answered. but it is frankly his own best communicator even has he sees a need to ramp up. we have seen tweet storms from this president, another one just this morning, let me read from some of these, taking aim at adam schiff saying he illegally made up a fake and terrible statement, pretended it to be mine and read it along to the congress if bore no relationship to what i said on the treason. the president of the ukraine says there was no pressure on

me. the president watching poles quite closely, and more than 50% of americans believe that it is the right path to be opening up. that is an online pole and the start continues to vary. there is no doubt that the public sentiment seems to be shifting in support to an inquiry. >> yeses, people are asking questions. the transcript that the white house provided was not a transcript of the president east conversation with a leader of ukraine, it was a summary. it was just under 10 minutes of content from a 30 minute phone call. i want to bring in an excellent guest this morning. david jolly, former republican congressman, no longer

affiliated with the party. ashley parker, a white house reporter if r the washington post, and even mcmullen. let's take you out of the former and into the president. give us your assessment on how the president did on sunday. it wasn't just rudy giuliani and steven miller who we know are very comfortable accounting as human needs for the president. >> absolutely, i think what we saw there was sort of the final defense that you have when the facts just don't add up in your favor and that is what we're doing.

and they are taking an aprobe where they dismiss this new thing. supposed fact thad are lie that's are totally inconsistent with what we know happened based on documented that the white house itself have released. i think when the facts don't add up in your favor, they go to conspira conspiracy, and that is just going to be a lot of conspiracy. watching rudy giuliani spin all kinds of steers stories. i think that is part of the b ploy here, kek up as much dust as possible, keeping trump's people from strain. they're looking at the polls and they're seeing more republicans

and independents in favor of the impeachment inquiry. and the last thing i will say here is they see even the conspiracy theories are not working. and they're raising directly the possibility of life with p a civil war. and that is the next faze and as we learned over the next few years, violence and serioconspi theories can go hand in hand. so i'm sorry to say that i think we're headed towards that from the president. >> confuse people so they tune out? >> the president has the state department, the cia, why did he use three private lawyers to get information on biden from the

ukrainian government rather than go through all of the allegations john durham, as you know -- >> he is investigating something completely different pim asking a direct question. why did the president -- let's not talk about john durham who is investigating the trump -- >> there are two issues that -- >> that was not an answer, so steven miller keeps insisting it is reasonable to want to investigate the bidens, but she not answering and explaining why this president when the to rudy giuliani rather than through official channels and they

cannot explain why it is held up. can they form any coherent form of difference? >> no, and thank you chris wall lils for that intervi -- wallace for that interview. we're seeing a classic deflection. it is important to realize what they're doing. democrats are going to have to confront this every single day and frame the narrative in a true and accurate sense that the american people can understand. three areas, first you will hear republicans say "but there was no quid pro quo." to be impeachable there does not to be a quid pro quo. he said of course i want today extract a concession from the ukraine over corruption, why wouldn't i before i gave them money. the president admitted to that. and in the synopsis we learned

that the only concession that the president asked for -- the only person he named to be investigated was his political opponent. the other two areas, we will see them attack the whistle-blower, which frankly that fully corroborates what we already know. but it is not totally necessary, and third we will see them attack mustn'ter biden. and with him getting paid $50,000 a month are swampy, but it's not illegal. if it was illegal for them to make money off of that relationship we would lose half of the united states senate. it is swampy but not illegal. democrat vs. to face this narrative, and they have to lean in to control how this issue is frames for the american people.

>> that swampiness is why so many people around the country don't like government, but that doesn't mean, ashley, that there is wrong doing here. help us understand this deep state argument. just a couple years ago, that was an info wars talking point. we know the gop closely monitors every poll out there. does the white house now think the deep state works with voters. >> well, the deep state is something that the president has been railing against, and some of his advisors, since basically when he took office. this is a president who has always had a very contentious relationship with his intelligence community. and it is worth noting how rare that is. i'm not going to say unprecedented, but it is very rare. these are normally the people that the president leans on for the best advice. the best briefings when they're making a decision on national security, life, death, and what

they're going to do. when the president came into office it was his intelligence community that brought him basically the evidence that russia had in fact interfered in the 2016 presidential election that's he viewed them not as part of his government that was helping him fight for an interference, but part of the effort that these deep state efforts to undermine the legitimacy of his presidency and you see this in his tweets, in his public comments, and i don't know that they necessarily believe it is effective in the polls. i'm not aware of any polling on that. i think it is something he feels and it is a conspiracy theory that he and his aids like to espouse, and it is sort of an ene enemy that he can go against. everyone is out to get me, but there is a shadowy deep state that wants to bring me down and hurt you. and that is a message that

appeals to his base. >> what's your take on the president looking to unmask or reveal who this whistle-blower is saying he thinks it is a spy. if it is a spy who would that individual be spying on behalf of and talk to us about the risks for that person's security. we heard from their attorney they're worried about their person safety. >> in donald trump's mind the only thing that matters is donald trump. donald trump is the state. he is america. and so anyone that acts against him is an enemy of not only him but america. that's why he talks about the press as the enemy of the people. >> but who would they be a spy for. >> that is, well, no one, but this is his idea that if you're acting against me, you're acting in a treasonous way. so that is just what he is

saying. s he is trying to associate the state with them. if someone is contacting against them they're acting against the country. that's what they're eluding to there. he wants to know the whistle-blower's identity, he wants to engage in a personal attack. he is going to try to destroy that person without a doubt. he is already trying to do it. he will say he doesn't know who the whistle-blower is but make all kinds of allegations. that is crazy, but that is what he does. he will engage in a campaign of destruction against this whistle-blower. you asked about their safety and not only are, but they're supporters that may be possiblyized to take action against the whistle-blower. >> we're going to stay with it

on the other side of the break. the first resigns after being named in the complaint exile another names a very rare but former rebuke. i'm talking about the president and what is one thing the president's rivals are more focused on than impeachment? we'll show you after the break. ? we'll show you after the break after my dvt blood clot, i wondered.

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resignation since the nude of president trump's efforts to pressure ukraine's leader into investigating joe biden and h t hunter biden. the state department has officially stepped down and issued his resignation to secretary of state on friday. other members are stepping out like former oklahomaland security advisor, tom bossert. >> it is a bad day nor country if he is asked for different on an opponent. >> joining me now to break all of this down, brett mcgert. and ed price, the former special assistant to president barack obama where he also served in

the national security council. brett, to you first, you left the trump administration in 2018 due to policy disagreements. from your time there, does anything that you have learned in the least week surprise you? >> well, one thing i said when i left is that the crazy in this administration catches up with everybody. >> what does that mean? >> tom bossert is a professional that was forced out of the white house. i think he resigns and he can speak the truth when he goes before professional committees. and -- >> he would need to resign in order to speak the truth? that is a perverse statement. >> i have not spoken with him, but he resigned his post and as you just reported he will be before the committees next week. i think he will tell the truth.

>> referee: what does that say that he is unable to tell the truth while served in this administration, isn't that ab t absurd? >> i spent the last half a decade in war zones and politics stops in these places. and something that happened here in this current crisis that we're seeing is a fairly professional foreign policy team handling the issue of ukraine and it has been affected with really the taint of this white house. a professional u.s. ambassador, s she was yanked from her post early. she was called bad news and the president said bad things would happen to her. what it says to the civil servants going to work every day trying to serve and protect the

country, i think it is very damaging. in my time i never saw malevolence. i think they will tell them just what they saw. >> i want to play a little more from that same interview. >> it is not just a conspiracy theory, but it is completely debunked. if he continues to focus on a that white wheal it will bring him down enough. >> tom bossert put himself out there and the flak that he will get for doing so. this theory is being told to him by his own lawyer, rudy julianny more than the intelligence

advisors of the united states of america. >> i think they put a point on it that while he was serving on government, he said no, there is no there there. there is no scandal with the bidens. but trump doesn't use his national security and foreign policy team in the way that his predecessor vs. they use that team usually on a daily basis to get briefed on what is transpiring in the world to coordinate and execute policy. trump has in so many ways a shadow foreign policy team. including outlets like breitbart. i think that trump is dismissing what he is hearing.

we have nod heard others speak out. where are people like john bolten. i know that he will speak out, and i have every expectation that he is speaking anonymously, but when are people like that going to voice what they saw. they were in these positions when much of this transpired. >> what type of security clearance does rudy juliangiuli have that he could advice the president on any of these issues. >> the u.s. government has -- the amount of information that you get as a policy official is extraordinary. and they're facts. fact based analysis. >> he is not a policy official. i don't know who is even currently paying him. >> the fact that the president is getting his information and what we saw in the transcript right there in black and white, what s what she asking is praising a

leader, not from information developed by professionals, it's goming from giuliani and others. we have a lot of crisis coming. we will have a foreign policy crisis that might be china or iran coming in the next year and clearly there is not a national security team that is equipped to handle this. we're going into very turbulent waters and i'm considered about the moral of our civil servants, our intelligence professionals, they will continue to get up in the morning to do all they can, but when a senior official goes on a tv show and talks about a deep state operative, that is very troubling. they are being accused of melevolence from the white house.

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he has landed in third place in national polls, and he has a number of staff shakeups. is the campaign going strong? shaq, sanders does not seem to have the same support he did in 2016. he lost the support of the working families party which is a left wing group now supporting elizabeth barne. many said that e le elizabeth w is the newer version and he says that is not the case. >> they are trying to address these issues. you mentioned his income inequality plan. he is trying to show he is different from the other

opponents. trying to out flank his political rivals. they are calling for an increased corporate tax gap. it is a plan that he says will help pay for his plan to pay for all existing medical debt. a policy that is recent and knew b new but it separates him a little bit. he is doing a college tour right now in new hampshire. something he did in south carolina or iowa. he is trying to show he is the most progressive and trying to tell people and what we hear from people here is that he is someone they still believe in, believe his message, and they're also keeping an open mind to these other candidates. that's why you have sanders trying to out flank his rivals in the face of the slipping poll

numbers and the slipping poll numbers. >> joining me now, a former direct national committee senior advisor. doug thornell. bernie and his campaign don't have the momentum they did in 2016. is that because elizabeth warren is in the house? >> i think they hit a wall civil months ago. i think one important thing to remember is he has one million donors to his campaign. he will be able to go for awhile here, but the biggest decision point i think his campaign face social security what are they going to do about elizabeth warren. but they're fighting over a lot of the same voters. i think the sanders campaign will have to decide what are they going to do about elizabeth

warren. . i don't think that strategy will be successful to them. right now she is the one who is surging and has the momentum, and they're trying to figure out how to deal with that. >> isn't that the only strategy that either one would need to employ? that is the best shot of clear i taking on joe biden would be to take out one another. >> yeah, absolutely. new hampshire is critical to both of those candidates campaigns. if bernie sanders loses new hampshire, he will still be able to go on because he has a ton of donors, but his campaign will be basically over with. especially after how well he did in 2016 and she is a neighborin senator there. that will be really hard for

them to recover from. so they will have to engage from one another and i expect that though happen in the next couple months. >> two months after nancy pelosi opened up the impeachment inquiry, they called in $13 million in donations. >> sure, they're trying to make sure that what these dollars are used for, stefanie, is getting out the message on how great donald trump's policies are to the base republicans. they're not advertising to try to win over democrats because that is probably likely that is not going to happen, but -- >> they have $13 million, new $13 million to spend to say it is all about the policies, what are the winning trump policies? >> it is the economy. they're looking at the markets,

consumer confidence, they're looking at having a job, stephanie. >> we were at full employment when the president was elected. and we know that unemployment is down and wages are slightly ticking up, but the markets are one thing, you put the marks over here, but as far as the economy, the economy is on the same tra jjectory as when obama was in office, can nay really lean on the economy? >> they are. they are leaning on it and it is selling republicans. i'm on the republican side. the talking points that i have are on the r side, and every time you get a talking point, it is touting the economy, touting the fact that americans have jobs and they will feel confident to continue to have a job. and i think he has really based his candidacy on less regulations, a lot of people attribute to a booming economy. and the fact in a people feel

like they can go and spend, because that job will be there and if it doesn't work out they can a v another job. a lot of people, lower level, mid level, they feel that the economy is on the d side and they're talking about the inverted yield curve. >> those that have no partnership are talking about the yield curve as well. they say we're likely to see a recession by 2020, it has nothing to do with the president or not. after ten years of economic expansion, we're due for a recession, people don't like it, but it is like a diet and you have to go on one. joe biden has a strong lead in the state. does this impeachment inquiry help or hurt biden with more voters. >> i think it probably helps him.

i think it freezes the race for a short period of time, and when you do that biden and warn arene at the top. i think it reinforces a key message that biden is trying to press which is that he is the most electable democrat against trump. trying to force a foreign leader to attack joe biden as proof that this is the person, this is the candidate that republicans were most afraid of, and third i think it potentially creates a level of sympathy for joe biden, so they have to deal with issues that the republicans are trying to push on biden. i think that it is a net positive for the biden campaign. >> all right, we're going to leave it there on the fundraising threat. we should note that corey booker was out last week saying if he

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questions about president trump's abuses of power. my friend, nicholas, has outlined the three most important questions about the inquiry. it is a few parts, what was russia's role? did president trump discuss ukraine with putin in any of the previous meetings, and at any of the meetingings did he plant misinformation. >> do you honestly think we're going to get the answers to these questions. >> the trump and putin bromance question that has been around for years, there is a trump and ukraine issue. there is whis mers in the

intelligence community. we may be able to find out if president trump, in osaka, if they discussed you crane. we may learn whether or not this was raised in their meeting last year. and the july 31st phone call that president trump -- that president trump had with president putin, and you know, it is just so striking that the narrative that putin has been advancing, that it wasn't russia at all, that is the narrative that trump advanced, and the policy measures that he advanced, like downgrading ukraine, those are the policies that putin would advance. >> vladimir putin is a very smart man. he doesn't need to say directly to the president let me push this information on you. if the president is getting his

foreign policy advice from rudy giuliani who has no security clearance, we have seen the president and his sons push tweets from known conspiracy theorists. and vladimir putin knows he doesn't have to tell him directly, he has lots of ways to get it to him. >> this crazy conspiracy theory that the dnc server was physically in the ukraine, that ukraine was behind the interference. we don't know exactly where it was concocted, and it is a russian narrative. we don't know how it came about, but i would like to find out. it seems like something that a russian kgb officer might use to manipulate a president.

>> if you spend enough time at the nicola's, or restaurants in new york city where they giuli information from all pleases. mike pence has a pretty straight and narrow background unless now. where does he land in all of this. >> so i think we don't know, but i think we have to ask crucial questions about weathhether thee president was involved in this effort to extort the you cranuk. so that seems to have been a way for the trump administration to put pressure on the ukraine. did the vice president know he was part of this plan, and the

president met president zelensky on the first. it is hard to believe he did not raise the question of why did military aide get suspended? how did the president answer? he has not been willing to say if you want the aide go investigate hunter biden. >> so the questions you jooit outlined is no doubt what they want in their inquiries. do you think they have the levers levers to get any of these seasons? >>. >> you get the sense that those in the administration are going to talk. >> and they're going to say he

is angry, mad, bummed that he doesn't help him any more. >> but there is a critical mass that can arise. so it isseen. >> it was important that the former homeland security adviser came out after having advised president trump. if john bolton joins that as well, if ambassador volker joins that. then there are going to be some die-hard republicans who certainly aren't going to change, but i think that there is a chance of actually bringing the light of truth to some of these questions. >> or the questions are they die-hard republicans or trump supporters, because those are two different things. >> and they don't have to be. >> nick, so much. you want to read this piece. let's turn to what some call a kitchen table issue, an important one, education. students around this country are deeper in debt than they've ever been before. according to a new report from the institute for college access and success, in 2018, two-thirds

of college grads borrowed money, and the average student now owes more than $29,000 when they graduate school. some 2020 candidates have pitched plans that would lesson or eliminate this debt altogether, but so far we have seen no action from the federal government. instead states are taking it upon themselves to address the crisis like new mexico which just released a new proposal that will make tu wigz at all of its colleges and universities free for students regardless of immigration status. we're going to speak with the state's governor and we started by asking why she was pushing this plan. >> i know what a difference it's going to make for new mexico families and these students. we're looking at growing our economy and that means that you have to have an educated, ready-to-go workforce. we are losing our young people to other states.

we want them to stay there and we want to make sure that they're not saddled with debt so we're ready to start their families and lives. >> many states who we have seen provide tuition assistance are doing it on a need basis. why does your plan take family income out of the equation? there are lots of families who would afford it. if you took them out couldn't you provide more resources to those who need it? >> it's 55,000 students and states are already pumping in a ton of money. so if we're putting money in and enrollment is down and anyone who can afford college are leaving the state, why wouldn't you just make it easier for the students to stay where they are, get the education and make a difference in your economy? we pay as taxpayers for pre-k to 12th grade. why would you stop before you finish a comprehensive

education? it makes no sense to me. we want no wrong door and we don't want to create stigmas. everyone ought to have access to free higher education in our state and that's exactly the proposal. >> and what do you say to those who say that would be great in a society where there was an unlimited amount of money. in order to provide something like this, what are you taking from? >> we are in one of the poorest states in the country, 65% of the students that go to college in new mexico are already identified as some of the poorer students in the country. so if you want not to be a poor state and you want to have this economic investment, why wouldn't you invest in the capital of those young people? we invest in businesses and infrastructure, we do all sorts of local economic development, but you're not going to invest in the very people who create that workforce and diversify that economy? this is the way to really make a difference on all front. >> where are you getting the

money from? >> we are in a very good situation currently. >> what do you mean? >> oil and gas, we're seeing a billion dollars in revenue and to put that in perspective for a small state like new mexico in terms of population, our total state budget is about $17 billion. so it's significant resources and we've made the decision that investing it in education, we're doing pre-k and looking at ways to do child care. i have no doubt this will change the dynamic of new mexico forever. >> what about paying our grammar school and high school teachers more? we know that there's an education crisis that many students aren't in a position to go to college. they are not leaving with the education that maybe you and i got. why not put the money there and help with the foundation? >> did. so you are exactly right. i like you. we did $448 million to public

education. you're not going to have educators. they're not going to go to college and become teachers if they can't pay their student loans and their salaries or compensation packages are so poor they're on public benefits or working two or three jobs. so we did all of the above. it's a comprehensive investment in public education. we did that, my very first legislative session, single largest investment in compensation packages and k through 12 in the history of the state. >> we've seen some presidential candidates, specifically bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, come up with a federal proposal to take this on. you're doing it specifically for new mexico. you mentioned how you can do it given the businesses in your state. do you think this should be taken on on a state by state case? >> i think this either or dynamic is problematic. if these are priority issues for the country we should address them as a country. but states are innovators,

states are flexible. you can make these investments and then just get it done, waiting for the federal government creates more hardship for the very people that you represent. i'm going to reduce health care costs and we're going to be one of the first states to figure out universal health care. we're going to be one of the first states to do four-year colleges, 21st state to do two-year colleges free tuition. we hope to be the first state in the nagds to figure out universal child care systems. if you want to build healthy, strong families, you want child well-being to be an issue that you tackle, then tackle it. this is what states can do. >> coming up next, democratic congressman will be here on his party's push to get the public on board when it comes to impeachment. with this key to the city. [ applause ]

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